Taking Reality Television Seriously with Victoria Ennis

[00:00:00] Speaker A: Everyone on Summer House is gay. Like the girl specifically, just because, like, [00:00:03] Speaker B: I, I, I'd love Paige. [00:00:05] Speaker A: Lesbian. If you have a question [00:00:17] Speaker C: I love you, you can simply ask your trusty dear Queen de Foreign. We're back. [00:00:38] Speaker B: All right, so today on Dear Queer, we have Victoria Ennis. She is an educator working in equity diversity and inclusion at a hospital, host of the Miseducation podcast, where I am newly starting to learn things. Oh, my goodness. Go check her out. Victoria has been watching reality TV probably since before she can remember and has never left and considers herself an expert on psychoanalysis. Of all the characters as. As we all do, which is probably her favorite part and really the only credibility we need for today's episode. [00:01:14] Speaker C: Absolutely. Number one criteria. [00:01:18] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:01:19] Speaker B: And then the second is, what are you watching also? Welcome to the podcast. [00:01:22] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:01:22] Speaker A: Oh, my gosh. Thank you. I watch everything. It's probably easier to say that I don't watch, but what I do watch is Love is Blind. I don't know if Are we counting love on the spectrum? It's reality, but it's not like I watch it. I'm watching drama, though. [00:01:36] Speaker C: No, but I mean, that's the beauty of it. [00:01:38] Speaker A: Traders is one of my favorite shows of all time. [00:01:40] Speaker B: It also just collects all the shows, [00:01:42] Speaker A: which is the best. All of them together. Real Housewives. I watch Housewives. Beverly Hills. I watch Atlanta. Yeah. And I would like to start Salt Lake City. And also I want to start Rhode island because the crossover with Bachelor World. Get Ashley Iconetti from Bachelor. [00:01:56] Speaker B: I was screaming at the TV last night because my wife and I watched it for the first episode last night, and she's like, who are these people? Because my wife was not a reality TV watcher before we met and has come to the dark side and almost surpassed me. But I'm like, that's. [00:02:12] Speaker C: Do you even know. [00:02:13] Speaker A: You have to know the lore of Ashley and Jared. She was crying to him on the beach. He's like, I don't like you. And then she got a boyfriend. And then he's like, actually, I want you back. And then they got married, like, right away. [00:02:22] Speaker B: And they're still together. [00:02:23] Speaker A: Still together. Two kids, maybe it's been, like, 10 years. [00:02:26] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:02:26] Speaker A: Yeah. Wow. Yeah. [00:02:28] Speaker B: Okay, so we're in a safe space here. [00:02:30] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:02:30] Speaker A: Ultimately, I watched, like, the heterosexual Ultimatum. Which show? And then I've watched Queer Ultimatum, of course. Yeah. And then I've watched. I've watched both Bachelorette and Bachelor just because, like, Bachelor Nation. Overall, Summer House, I think I've watched one episode of Southern Charm. But it wasn't. I wasn't into it, but I could [00:02:52] Speaker B: go back just to figure out Craig, [00:02:53] Speaker A: just to be like, who's Craig? Why is he dating Paige? Why is Paige like him? Don't seem compatible at all. [00:02:58] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:02:58] Speaker A: And then I watched Vanderpump Rules, but I only watched it strictly due to scandal. [00:03:03] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:03:03] Speaker A: I was like, what's the. What's the lore? Who's Tom Sandoval? Everyone just says his name. So. [00:03:07] Speaker B: Okay, so we have a bonafide expert today. Yeah. [00:03:11] Speaker C: I love this. I love, you know, meeting other people who take reality television seriously. [00:03:16] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:03:16] Speaker C: Because it's one of those things that does get kind of brushed off. Often. I'm talking to my students about reality tv. I do teach one pop culture class, and they're looking at me like they don't know what I'm talking about. And they haven't seen these shows. And I was like, what? Like, how have you not seen these shows? [00:03:30] Speaker A: That's like, how you feel when your mom's talking about soap operas and you're like, yeah, not my time. And they're like, what is the Bachelor? [00:03:37] Speaker C: How can you not know? [00:03:39] Speaker A: Yeah. It is a soap opera. [00:03:41] Speaker C: So given that, where do we even start? What's on people's minds right now? I mean, can we have a really sweet start? [00:03:48] Speaker B: Okay. Yeah. [00:03:49] Speaker C: You. [00:03:49] Speaker A: Okay. [00:03:49] Speaker C: Can we talk about Love on the Spectrum? [00:03:50] Speaker A: Oh, my gosh. Okay. I'm excited. [00:03:53] Speaker C: I've never done just like, that. Kind of both hands like this joy clap so much in my life when you're just like, yay. [00:03:59] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:04:00] Speaker C: For. For just watching them. You're rooting for them. I feel like on any other show, like, in Love Is Blind, if they're like, my favorite movie is this too. And they're like, exactly. And they're like, oh, my God, it's meant to be. My eyes, like, roll all the way back in my head. But when they do that on Love on the Spectrum, I'm like, yes, the stars are aligned. I mean, like, flashing my little pom [00:04:20] Speaker A: poms, like, so happy you find your person. Yeah. Yeah. [00:04:23] Speaker C: It's, like, so earnest. We talked about Love on the Spectrum, I think on a previous EP episode once, briefly. But it's just so earnest and so honest and, like, there's no games. It's just like everyone's cards are on the table. [00:04:37] Speaker A: It's so direct. [00:04:37] Speaker C: It's so refreshing. [00:04:38] Speaker A: And you kind of find out where you're gonna be with them after the date's done. Like, 30 seconds after, it's, hey, I really like, you. Let's go together. I wasn't feeling it. You kind of look like my dad. Like. Yeah, that's what she said. Okay, whatever. See you later. And that's it. And there's, like, less hard feelings because you're being honest right away. You're not dragging out people's time, wasting their time. Three weeks later, maybe we'll go on a date. Like it was. Nope. I don't feel the connection, but thank you so much. [00:05:03] Speaker C: Totally. And it's so. It's so clear in the sense, too, that you're like, oh, you guys just don't gel. And that's fine. Like, it's nothing personal. It's just you don't. You're not connecting, and that's cool, right? [00:05:14] Speaker B: I also just kind of love the way they acknowledge that the film crew's there and, like, bring them into it. [00:05:20] Speaker C: Sean, it's Keyan. Sorry, Kian. [00:05:22] Speaker A: Sorry, Sean. [00:05:24] Speaker C: I love Logan. You can see how hard he's crushing. [00:05:28] Speaker A: Yes. [00:05:28] Speaker C: Like, I still. I think I have two episodes to go, but I don't mind any spoilers, obviously, but he's just, like, made Haley his girlfriend. And, like, how adorable was that? It's just pure joy. [00:05:39] Speaker A: It is pure joy. And I love his relationship. Logan with his sister because they're twins, so I feel like they're kind of like, connected. Telepathy. And she's like, his safe space. Like, they're hugging for, like, 30 seconds, and he's like, I'm not done yet. He's just patting her on the back. And I was like, oh, this is so sweet. Like, just such a cute family. [00:05:56] Speaker C: Yeah. Amy, I feel like, is a bit of a queen this season. She's with red hair because she sang that song about having this fairy tale, but then basically being like, fuck it, I'm gonna go out on my own and do what I want to do. I'm not waiting around in this tower for Prince to save me. And then she did end up meeting this guy, right? And it's one of those things, too, that me and my daughter were like, oh, I think. I think. I think I like this guy. I think they're gonna hit it off, like. And then he cracks a joke about tv, and we're like, she wanted a funny guy who talks about tv, like, literally on her checklist, you know? So, like, we're rooting for them to be able to check these things off of their. Their. You know, the list that they're looking for. I love it. Yeah. [00:06:34] Speaker A: She knew the last guy wasn't Right. Like, she. He had an okay connection, but she's like, not for me. And the next guy happens to be perfect. He does Jim Carrey impressions. Like, specific things she was looking for. And she's like, of course I didn't settle. [00:06:46] Speaker B: Yeah, I found who I wanted. [00:06:47] Speaker C: I love that. [00:06:48] Speaker B: They're, like, teaching us that, too. It's like the other dating shows could absolutely take a page for these icons. Yeah, don't settle. Name it. Just. It's okay to not go along with something if you feel like the vibes are off. Like, they're just so honest. [00:07:04] Speaker C: And Marco, one of our friends, replied to. I had put a thing out on Instagram asking for people, like, what they're watching, what they're loving, what they're hating. He turned me on to Ladies of London. [00:07:14] Speaker B: I haven't watched. [00:07:15] Speaker A: I have not watched that. [00:07:16] Speaker C: I've watched maybe two or three episodes, and I am loving it. Marco is correct that I should be watching it. [00:07:22] Speaker B: And so is this a Housewives? [00:07:25] Speaker C: It's like a remake, I guess, like a new edition kind of of it. It's really well done. The characters, the people are great so far. One woman, it's really funny. She doesn't last more than a few episodes. She's like, this show isn't for me. I can't do this. Cause she basically gets called out for talking behind someone's back and then is just like, kind of goes blank and just tries to deny it. [00:07:48] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:07:48] Speaker C: And they're like, you did it. You said it. And then she's like, I don't think I'm going to be on this show anymore. [00:07:56] Speaker B: I love that. [00:07:57] Speaker C: Yeah, it's great. And what's interesting about it is that with Beverly Hills, it's like, all just wealth. Right. We just see their wealth everywhere. But with London, it's. It's class. So, like, literally one woman is living in a tiny little London flat, like, working her way up. She gained nothing in her last divorce. It's clear she's even doing Renault's. And she's like, £2,000 is my. Is my maximum budget for this. Like. But she has a title, and that keeps her in the realm of, like, of that upper echelon, because she has a title. That's, like, what she retained from her marriage and what keeps her still in this circle of friends who are far wealthier than she is, which I found really interesting to see. [00:08:41] Speaker B: It's like the early days in New York. Like, not all of the women were wealthy and you got to see their apartments and I was like, oh, my gosh, these women would never be on the show now. [00:08:52] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:08:54] Speaker B: Okay, I have a comment from Marco for anyone who's thinking about getting into the London of it all. Basically, that the reboot feels fresh, all new characters, the editing is unlike anything Bravo is doing currently. Watch out with any of their Housewives franchise. And there's a gay man as a central character, which, full disclosure, that Marco was ready to hate. Yeah, I'm naming you Marco. But now I'm obsessed. Not. Not only that, but arguably, Brits are the Americans of Europe. So seeing them maintain the UK girls versus American girl vibe is so fun. [00:09:27] Speaker C: It's true. Because they do have a couple American women on it too. And so they talk about the differences. Which reminds me, though, I have you watched Love is Blind Sweden? [00:09:36] Speaker A: No, no, I've watched uk. [00:09:39] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:09:39] Speaker A: And the US I don't think I've seen another. [00:09:41] Speaker C: So the Sweden. Titled, subtitled. Actually, no, they've dubbed it oh my Gosh. [00:09:47] Speaker A: Which is. [00:09:47] Speaker C: Which is funny in its own right. But there were just some really interesting differences between what you typically see on the American version versus Sweden. And the one that really stood out to me was that even once they're all coupled up when they're on their vacations and they're all hanging out as a group, that they're not. They're not doing this split where, like, all the guys talk with the guys and all the women talk with the woman. But often, like a man who's in a relationship with someone. Will. [00:10:14] Speaker A: Will. [00:10:14] Speaker C: Will seek kind of advice and counsel from another woman who's also paired up and be like, this is how it's going. I don't know what to do about this. There's no jealousy. There's no. You were talking to so and so. And there's no. Like, it's just really kind of open in that sense, which I feel like less competition. Less competition. [00:10:32] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:10:32] Speaker C: And seeing it really as, like. Yeah, exactly. Not as, well, I wanted him or whatever. Or even just not seeing it as. Yeah. Competition. To be like, oh, of course you're okay to connect with this person on a human level. And I shouldn't be, you know, nervous about it. So that was really neat to see. It felt like a more kind of mature approach. [00:10:50] Speaker A: Yeah. That's different than the American one where they're trying to set up drama and they purposely put the couples like this. Did you watch this last season? [00:10:57] Speaker C: Yes. [00:10:57] Speaker A: Where they had Christine and Vic in Malibu, which is not in Cabo or I think right in Mexico. [00:11:02] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:11:03] Speaker A: And it's like they did that because they know they have no drama. No one else is looking at them. They have no other connection. So it's like, why would we put them there? Like, we don't have to pay for them to be there if they're not going to cause drama. [00:11:12] Speaker B: At the same time, though, they also need to have successful couplings so that they can, like, maintain the, you know, premise of the show that, like, real relationships, this does work. Love could be blind. [00:11:23] Speaker A: Exactly. [00:11:23] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:11:24] Speaker A: So they had to air them because they were this. Maybe they weren't the only ones to get married, but there were. [00:11:28] Speaker B: I think there were two or three. [00:11:30] Speaker C: Three. I know. [00:11:30] Speaker A: Jordan and Amber. Yeah, maybe that's it. [00:11:33] Speaker C: Honestly, once I'm done with the season, I have a hard time. I have a hard time remembering their names. [00:11:38] Speaker A: Emma and Mike. Ashley and Scammer guy with no job. [00:11:43] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, Alex, that was. He was just so fascinating to watch. [00:11:48] Speaker C: God, yeah. [00:11:48] Speaker A: Free. [00:11:49] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:11:49] Speaker C: He was just businessman, sales. [00:11:51] Speaker B: I was just waiting for him to have some self reflection after watching himself and then going on. [00:11:56] Speaker C: Was he the soccer player guy who referred everything soccer? [00:11:58] Speaker B: Yes. [00:11:59] Speaker C: Which was a red flag. And then also when he talked about the breakup after on the live after or whatever you call it, the reunion, and he was just like. I felt. I was like, really professional there. And I was like, dude, someone just. Your fiance just broke up with you. You don't need to be professional. Like, you need to be human. Like, he's such a robot, you know? [00:12:19] Speaker B: Yeah. The American shows really, it is a. It is a game and it's like. Or it's for, you know, getting followers, publicity. Like, there's so much more. Which is why I think, you know, like, the Swedish one and other versions end up being more wholesome and like. [00:12:34] Speaker A: Yeah, that makes sense. [00:12:36] Speaker C: Also, the Sweden one was really interesting because there were at least two couples who ended up getting married who, upon the reveal, one of them would be like, I don't know if I'm attracted. I don't know if this is not. They're not who I usually go for at all. But then they. They end up growing the attraction. That's interesting. [00:12:58] Speaker A: Right? [00:12:59] Speaker C: Which you so rarely see. [00:13:01] Speaker A: Shows that love is not. [00:13:02] Speaker C: Yeah, right. And. And often I find myself even seeing couples interact after. I'm like, oh, this is not gonna work. I'm like, you have the connection to the pods, but, like, you know, you. Or she's not into you. But then in this case, they really just gave it time and then they ended up really bonding and Becoming attracted, even physically, too. [00:13:21] Speaker A: Right, right. That's fascinating. [00:13:23] Speaker C: I know, I know. So it is blind, I guess, in Sweden. In some cases. [00:13:28] Speaker B: Only in Sweden. [00:13:29] Speaker A: In America, it's not. [00:13:30] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:13:30] Speaker A: Because I think even one of the cast members is now going to be on Perfect Match. Like one of the Love is Blind cast members who's still single at one of the guys. But that just shows they're, like, signing up to continue to be within the franchise of Netflix. They're not, like, learning to find a wife. [00:13:45] Speaker C: Yeah. There's one guy on Love of Sweden who is basically talking to a friend. So the woman he's engaged to goes out to get them dinner, and he's talking to a friend on the balcony, and he doesn't realize she's come home. And he's talking to the friend and he literally says, I'd rather redo my military service than be with her. It's just so hard to be with her. And she's like. And then he's trying to show his friend the apartment. He's like, oh, yeah, I'll show you the inside. And you see the moment when he pans over and sees her sitting at the table and he's like, oh, I didn't know you were home yet. It's so great. Like, you couldn't have scripted it. Oh, my gosh. [00:14:32] Speaker B: The producers must have just been like, right? This is so good. [00:14:38] Speaker A: Why don't you stand right here? [00:14:40] Speaker C: It was just brilliant. Like, you really couldn't have. You couldn't have planned it better. Yeah. [00:14:46] Speaker B: Wait, what were some of the other shows you were. [00:14:48] Speaker A: You're watching other than the Love is Blind franchise? [00:14:52] Speaker C: I need the summer house gossip because I'm behind in the seasons. And I was telling Lauren, I don't mind a spoiler. I don't mind a spoiler. In fact, I love a spoiler because then when I. When I'm watching through, I can see. [00:15:03] Speaker A: I feel the same way. [00:15:04] Speaker C: Yeah. And be like, oh, my God, I can't believe they did that. They said that meanwhile they did this later. [00:15:09] Speaker A: Exactly. Because you hear the spoiler and you're like, but how does that make sense from what's happening in season five? [00:15:13] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:15:13] Speaker A: It's not adding up. [00:15:14] Speaker B: I started trying to tell Elena something and they were like, save it for the podcast. [00:15:19] Speaker A: I was like, la, la, la, la, la. [00:15:21] Speaker B: I don't wanna hear. [00:15:22] Speaker A: Yeah. Oh, my gosh. So you don't know anything yet? [00:15:25] Speaker C: No, I don't. [00:15:25] Speaker B: I mean, yeah. What's your baseline? [00:15:27] Speaker C: So I'm on season seven. I'm waiting. You're not even the season. I'm not even the season. But when you told me that there was kind of a scandal thing, something came up on my thing and it said scamanda. So then I know at least a man is involved. But that's all I know. [00:15:39] Speaker A: Okay. [00:15:39] Speaker B: How have you not seen this? [00:15:41] Speaker A: Because everywhere. [00:15:42] Speaker B: I'm avoiding it because it's everywhere. [00:15:43] Speaker C: I know. You know, really online that much these days. So it's like I'm very. I'm watching NASA. Okay. [00:15:49] Speaker A: Yeah, you are watching. [00:15:50] Speaker C: I'm watching NASA. [00:15:51] Speaker A: I do know that. [00:15:52] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [00:15:53] Speaker C: Your NASA online. [00:15:54] Speaker B: Your scamanda is the eclipse from. [00:15:57] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. [00:15:58] Speaker C: From. [00:15:59] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. Okay. So where to begin? This. The headline I heard before the season even aired is that Amanda and Kyle were separated. [00:16:08] Speaker C: Okay. [00:16:09] Speaker A: So their divorce. Their divorce is upcoming. [00:16:11] Speaker C: Okay. [00:16:12] Speaker A: Yeah, they're separated, which was the first news. [00:16:14] Speaker C: Did they ever get the prenup in the end? Because there was a lot of talk about prenup, but I never know if they signed it. [00:16:17] Speaker B: I don't think so. [00:16:18] Speaker C: Otherwise, they probably didn't. Otherwise maybe it would have mentioned. [00:16:21] Speaker A: Yeah, I didn't hear it. [00:16:22] Speaker B: This isn't even. That's. [00:16:23] Speaker A: That. [00:16:24] Speaker B: That headline is like. It's dropping. [00:16:28] Speaker A: It's dropping. Okay. [00:16:28] Speaker C: It's way down. Just wait. Okay, okay, okay. [00:16:32] Speaker A: So basically, Kyle and Amanda are getting separated. So when you go into the season, you're thinking, oh, they're gonna have turmoil. Like, this is probably coming up. They're fighting. [00:16:38] Speaker B: Awkward. [00:16:39] Speaker A: They're fighting as per every season of the show. Like, there's so much drama. And then we have Sierra and West back in the house. They're in a. I wouldn't say a love triangle because there's a few other girls in the house. There's new guys in the house. But now west is kind of re entertaining Sierra. [00:16:55] Speaker C: Okay. [00:16:56] Speaker A: He's coming back to her. She's trying to let him back in because she's so hurt how he had cheated on her previously and he was. I don't know, he had some headlines in the press about her saying he really doesn't want to date her or something. [00:17:05] Speaker B: He, like, airs their dirty laundry basically in, like, a vertical and like. Yeah. When none of that needed to happen. And don't wrong Sierra because she will hold a grudge. [00:17:16] Speaker A: Yeah, real, real. And then she was trying to, like, flirt with him and she's trying to get back with him, basically. There was also a moment where Jesse was trying to get with Sierra, and then he said to Wes, like, hey, what would happen if Like, I kiss Sierra. [00:17:28] Speaker B: And then it was straight to Wes, not talking to Sierra. So talking about. [00:17:32] Speaker C: Right. Her. [00:17:33] Speaker B: Without her. [00:17:33] Speaker A: Wow. [00:17:34] Speaker C: Okay. [00:17:34] Speaker A: But then it was weird because it was like that moment is when Wes suddenly became, like, romantic back to Sierra when he's like, oh, Sierra, remember we used to have something, right? And she's like, oh, my gosh. And everyone's like, would you consider Wes? And she's like, I'm not gonna say no, but he has a lot to earn back with me and all of this stuff. So it looks like they're on the track to potentially date or something's gonna happen with them. We're not really sure. But then there's a headline or not even a headline. There's a shared Instagram post which was extremely cringey, very vague. A shared Instagram post between Amanda and West saying, we are now in a situationship because we have such a strong connection and we know that there's going to be rumors about us, so we'll just address it before you say it to us. Thank you. We, like, respect each other and all this sort of bullshit. And then, wow. [00:18:26] Speaker B: But also, we don't know what it's going to be like or if it's any. It was like, of nothing. [00:18:31] Speaker A: Burger Situationship. Yeah, he wasn't. We're together. We, you know, are in love. We just found it was. We have a connection and we're not even sure where it's going. [00:18:41] Speaker C: It's like the softest of sleep launches. [00:18:43] Speaker B: Like we, but not we. [00:18:46] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, we. [00:18:47] Speaker C: Joint statement, but us, but not together. [00:18:50] Speaker A: Very weird. And then Sierra unfollowed, both of them. And the cast seems maybe divided what is happening? [00:18:57] Speaker B: And also while this is going on too. So it's like you have this in real time coming out, but then the season of the show is airing and so you have people going back and like, re. Scrutinizing the episodes and being like, oh, my gosh, is she being close also, like, in real time, too? You know, Ciara used to be the only black woman on the show and now there's two other cast members and they're having some raw, honest conversations about what it was for Ciara to be dating this white guy, west on the show and all these other layers that are coming into it too. And it was like, yeah. And that's kind of. And that's playing out on the show. [00:19:39] Speaker C: Right? [00:19:39] Speaker B: While this is happening now in real time. [00:19:41] Speaker A: Yeah, it's. Yeah, it's coming off the back of the episode where you had such a good feel Good moment. About, like, yeah, here are the racial tensions involved in dating you. Here's why I don't want to be played again by this. Specifically by this white man. When I'm a black woman, People are, like, trolling me online about this. And then that comes out in the news, like, the next week after that conversation from the show, and it was like, oh, we've all learned nothing, and you're still gonna play in her face even though you've addressed this. I don't know. It was, like, the wildest. And it's also the fact that now we're giving Kyle legs to stand on. Kyle now has likes to stand on to be like, amanda never likes me, and look at her with other guy. It's like, yeah, we didn't need Kyle to be on top. This is where we are right now, where Kyle's, like, vindicated. People are apparently, like, buying lover boy. They're, like, investing in him. He's, like, playing please don't say anything about Amanda. Like, he's trying to be the hero, which he actually biggest PR for him. He can be the hero arc right now. He's trying to be to Amanda, please. She's going through a hard time. I'm like, that's your friend. That's her best friend's ex boyfriend. You are not even divorced. Like, I just. [00:20:42] Speaker B: Also, isn't west his buddy? [00:20:44] Speaker C: Like, I don't know west yet. [00:20:46] Speaker A: Yes. [00:20:47] Speaker C: See, it's interesting. [00:20:48] Speaker B: West has kind of gone, like, up and down. And, like, at the beginning of this season, I was like, I think I like west again. He dresses like a lesbian. [00:20:56] Speaker A: He does. [00:20:56] Speaker B: He's calling out his bros. He's here for the girls. [00:20:59] Speaker A: Yep. [00:21:00] Speaker B: And I was like, I think I like him. And now I'm just, like, so disappointing. [00:21:05] Speaker A: It's so disappointing. [00:21:06] Speaker B: Yes. And then Sierra is put in the position again to just always be this, like, object of desire. And it's like the guys are talking about her. Like, can I kiss her? It's, like, always about the aesthetic of this and never about the substance. This girl's a fucking nurse. [00:21:21] Speaker A: Like, she has all the boxes. They could spot everyone. Yes. [00:21:24] Speaker C: Yes. [00:21:24] Speaker B: Like, there's so much more to her. [00:21:26] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:21:27] Speaker A: Like, could I kiss her? Could I hook up with her? Like, you're asking permission from another guy who's not dating her. [00:21:32] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:21:32] Speaker B: It's just so disappointing. [00:21:33] Speaker A: Very disappointing. [00:21:34] Speaker C: Oh, man. [00:21:35] Speaker A: Wow. [00:21:35] Speaker C: I have so much to look forward to end up. [00:21:38] Speaker A: And Wes is not a relationship guy. He said, oh, I don't want to be in anything. I'm not interested. Which is why he had rejected Sierra in the past. Now him and Amanda are releasing a joint statement. [00:21:47] Speaker C: Wow. [00:21:48] Speaker A: Interesting. [00:21:49] Speaker C: I mean, I'm still in the era where Lindsay's kind of the villain. [00:21:53] Speaker A: Lindsay. [00:21:55] Speaker B: What a journey. [00:21:56] Speaker A: Lindsay is no longer the villain. [00:21:57] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:21:58] Speaker A: Lindsay had an arc. Lindsay has an arc. But you know about her child. [00:22:02] Speaker B: Spoiler alert. [00:22:03] Speaker C: No, not. No. And it's okay. I'm at the stage where do you [00:22:07] Speaker B: know about her baby daddy? [00:22:08] Speaker C: I'm at the stage where Carl is thinking of proposing. [00:22:11] Speaker B: Oh, my gosh. [00:22:12] Speaker C: I'm way back. [00:22:12] Speaker A: I don't even know. Okay. [00:22:14] Speaker C: So he's newly sober. [00:22:16] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:22:16] Speaker C: He's thinking of proposing. Everyone's like, whoa, whoa, whoa. This is really fast. And Lindsay's like, I'm the most direct communicator. And then people are like, well, didn't Amanda apologize? And she's like, yes. Well, did you respond to her? No, but my feelings are really hurt. Well, did you tell her that? No, but I'm a really direct communicator. And, like, so that's why she's all. She's kind of on my to not like, very much list. [00:22:43] Speaker B: I think Lindsay's just really figured out how to be a person in on Bravo. [00:22:49] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. [00:22:50] Speaker B: And, like, she. She's figured. She's figuring it out. [00:22:52] Speaker A: Yeah. Like, all I can hear from that era is like, how many sandwiches have you made for me? And it's like, we're not there anymore. Luckily, we're not there anymore with her. But that's her, like, top arc. Villain arc. But she's not there anymore. [00:23:06] Speaker C: Okay. Okay. [00:23:07] Speaker A: She's come a long way. [00:23:08] Speaker C: Okay. I'm excited. [00:23:08] Speaker B: She's got a child. She's. [00:23:10] Speaker C: And it's not with Carl and No. [00:23:12] Speaker B: Nor the baby's daddy. [00:23:14] Speaker C: Okay. [00:23:14] Speaker B: She's like, solo mom in the city. [00:23:16] Speaker C: Amazing. [00:23:17] Speaker B: Which I think we get to look forward to. I forget the name of it. Is it just the city? [00:23:23] Speaker A: I actually don't know. [00:23:23] Speaker B: Yeah. So basically, Bravo is doing a spin off on Summer House, and it's basically just some. Some of the familiar cast members, but just in the city, AKA New York. [00:23:35] Speaker A: Okay. [00:23:35] Speaker C: I love that for her because right now when she's dating Carl, she's like, what do you want to do? If you don't go, I won't go. And she's kind of doing the. It's like, slightly codependent vibe. So I like that. She's like, whatever, mom. On my figuring it out. [00:23:47] Speaker B: We've come a long way from her. What was it, like, five year plan? Of. [00:23:50] Speaker A: No, the July 2020, I'm gonna get engaged. July 2021, I'm gonna like getting married. July 2022, I'm gonna have a kid. [00:23:57] Speaker C: It's like, slow down. [00:23:58] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:23:59] Speaker C: She's really. Listen. [00:24:00] Speaker A: Yep. Listen. [00:24:01] Speaker B: We love her for it. [00:24:02] Speaker A: Okay, good. [00:24:03] Speaker C: Okay. Because another person that I have on my mind from another show who is on my kind of don't really can't really stand at the moment list. [00:24:12] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:24:12] Speaker C: Laid on us is dirt. [00:24:15] Speaker A: I swear. We can talk. [00:24:16] Speaker C: So what is her. Her mantra? I had to write it down. It's unfiltered. It's now, this year, it's unfiltered, unbothered, and finally unburdened. But I would like to add unbearable. She's really. [00:24:30] Speaker B: She's really making it hard this season because she's got the support of Boseman and Rachel Zo, and, like, Rachel Zo is a cool girl, but Dorit's trying [00:24:41] Speaker C: to suck in the new people. [00:24:41] Speaker A: She's a cool girl. [00:24:42] Speaker C: Totally. [00:24:43] Speaker A: She's not. [00:24:44] Speaker C: No. And she's trying to gain the sympathies of the new people who don't know that she spun them through all this crap previously and how kind of unhinged she is in the movie. [00:24:52] Speaker A: But she actually has drama with Amanda. Like, the newest girl, right? [00:24:56] Speaker C: Yes. [00:24:56] Speaker A: Like, I don't even know who she wants her allies to be. [00:24:59] Speaker B: Also, Amanda. [00:25:02] Speaker C: Amanda is so fascinating to me because I don't by any means love her, but. I. See. But it's such a fascinating, like, generational thing right now between Amanda and the rest of them. And she's like, I'm trying to stay regulated and engage in conversations and ask questions. Yeah. And ask questions and stay calm. And. And Bose and other people are like, you gotta attack. She's like, I don't think I have to attack. And they're like, you have to stand up for yourself. They're encouraging this, like, real kind of confrontational vibe, and she just doesn't want to buy into it. So it's interesting to see this tension of. They're like, bite. And she's like, I don't want to bite. She's like, I just want to talk [00:25:42] Speaker B: about the brands I'm wearing and this bag and how I pay for everything. [00:25:46] Speaker C: Yeah. But I feel bad for her in a way because. Well, the. The moment that really hit home with how unbearable Dorit is at the moment is when Dorit was just so hell bent on having a con confronting Amanda, and that was literally the day of Amanda's anniversary of losing her Son. [00:26:03] Speaker A: Yeah. And she said. [00:26:04] Speaker C: And she said it. She's like, listen, I just can't do this right now. Now, like, this is the anniversary of losing my son. And Dorit went like, okay, we don't have to have the conversation. And then continued to have the conversation. [00:26:18] Speaker A: Followed her to the door to be like, and then, are you going to address it with me next time? And she's like, I think I'm going to go because I'm grieving my son who's passed. [00:26:26] Speaker C: And then Dorit's like, well, you're the one. We wanted to keep talking about it. And she's like, no, I didn't. [00:26:30] Speaker A: She's like, I literally said, not today. And she's like, well, if you were going to bring that up at all, you should have known it was the day that you're. And she was like. Like, I didn't tell you because I'm not close to you yet. Like, I don't know you. And I'm like, that was fair. [00:26:42] Speaker C: It's just such a. Like, bizarre. I just don't understand what's going on in Jerry's mind. [00:26:46] Speaker B: As. As fair as it is, though, there's just something about her that I. I'm like. Even when it's. I'm like, yeah, your son's gone. That's bad. These. Like, you're not. The thing she. She's saying isn't wrong. [00:26:58] Speaker C: Who, Amanda Or Dream? [00:26:59] Speaker B: Amanda. [00:27:00] Speaker C: Amanda. Okay. [00:27:00] Speaker B: Yeah. But I just, like, I don't know. [00:27:02] Speaker C: I don't. [00:27:03] Speaker B: I don't get her. [00:27:04] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:27:05] Speaker C: Yeah, agree. [00:27:05] Speaker A: I don't get it. [00:27:06] Speaker B: There's something. [00:27:07] Speaker C: I'm like, is. [00:27:08] Speaker B: Tell me about your mlm. [00:27:09] Speaker A: Like, no, literally, like, what is it? What's your business model? She's asking those questions. She's like, so do you make money from telling people? [00:27:17] Speaker B: She's like, because I sell things. [00:27:21] Speaker C: Yeah. She won't really give a straight answer. It's like, she doesn't know. [00:27:25] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:27:25] Speaker C: What's actually the content? Which is weird. [00:27:27] Speaker A: Like, that's why I find her a bit like, you're not my favorite. [00:27:30] Speaker C: No. Same. But there's still. It's just interesting to see her plopped in. In this group. And so that's why it's nice for Sutton to be like, I get it. It's hard to be new here because everyone's expecting so much of you. They're like, divulge. But if you say too much, then you're, like, showing off. Or, like, it's just. [00:27:46] Speaker B: It feels like behind someone's back. [00:27:47] Speaker C: Exactly. [00:27:48] Speaker B: Literally. The premise of the show literally say [00:27:50] Speaker C: it to my face. But then I hated that you said it to my face. Like, it's just. There's no winning. No, there's no winning. And I think that's what I can. You know, you can see it in Amanda, where she's just like, this is impossible. This is literally an impossible line to walk to join this group. [00:28:04] Speaker A: Unless you're Kathy Hilton, you can kind of promise you will have drama and everyone will hate you at one point. Unless you're Kathy Hilton, then you do whatever you want. [00:28:12] Speaker B: Except that one time in Aspen, apparently, [00:28:14] Speaker A: where she lost it, which, like, they don't really talk about. [00:28:17] Speaker B: And also, she made that footage disappear. [00:28:20] Speaker A: Yeah, like. Like, scrubbed off the Internet. No one knows about it. And they made Lisa Rinna. Look, listen, Lisa Rinna. Talk about traitor. Lisa Rinna probably knows more than the rest of them. She's telling people all the business, and they're like, that didn't. That didn't happen. That's not true. And she's like, okay, well, anyways, I don't have a reason to lie. Like, you all hate me anyway. [00:28:37] Speaker B: I'm out. [00:28:37] Speaker A: Yeah, I kind of believe whatever. She didn't ask when. [00:28:40] Speaker C: I believe it. [00:28:40] Speaker B: Yeah, I believe it. [00:28:41] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:28:42] Speaker C: Did you love Traitors with Lisa Rinna? [00:28:44] Speaker A: I loved it. I. I don't know why I like her. I feel like she's so much drama. She, like, kind of has a ridiculous look. [00:28:50] Speaker C: Well, she's okay. She's very camp. She's so camp. [00:28:53] Speaker A: And she's the same hairstyle from, like, 25 years. [00:28:56] Speaker B: She. She does what she says and owns it. [00:28:59] Speaker A: Yeah, I'm gonna own it. Like, that's her whole line. I'm gonna own it. Yeah. I don't know. I loved her. I loved that she was trying so hard to, like, be this, like, oh, my gosh, I'm gonna be a cool trader. No one's gonna know. And she's like. She looks hungover. She's like, her sunglasses on. And she's like, oh, hey, everyone. I'm just really tired for no reason. They're like, oh, because you're up being a traitor. Like, what do you mean you're tired? She just, like, baited herself, literally. [00:29:22] Speaker C: Yeah, this. I mean, I love traitors, too. That was a great season. I loved Rob. I gotta say, I loved Rob. [00:29:28] Speaker A: I think he played a good game. But, like, he. Obviously. My thing is he got there because of pretty privilege. [00:29:35] Speaker C: Like, yes. [00:29:35] Speaker A: His eyes. It's like, oh, my gosh. Okay, now I know why you Got to the top. But, like, if you didn't look like how you looked, you would be. You'd be gone. [00:29:43] Speaker C: There's a scene where Johnny's like, ugh, Rob's so hot, I can't even look at him, [00:29:49] Speaker A: literally. And Maura was blinded. [00:29:51] Speaker C: Absolutely. [00:29:51] Speaker A: She was like, no, no, no, it can't be Ro. And I'm like, no, it. It literally is Robin. You have to just scrutinize everyone in the process. But, like, I don't know. It worked out for him with his overalls. Classic outfit on the final day, just to be like, look, I'm your. I'm your farm boy. [00:30:06] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:30:07] Speaker A: And it. Yeah. [00:30:08] Speaker C: Do we have any other hot takes about Traders? I'm trying to remember everybody. [00:30:11] Speaker A: I didn't like Colton, which I also watched him from the Bachelor way back. [00:30:15] Speaker C: Yeah. I loved Ron, and I felt so bad for Ron. And actually, the way Rob handled that actually made me like Rob more because he was like, he didn't just sell. He didn't throw Ron under the bus. He was like, no, I don't think you're a trader. I think you're a really sweet guy. We connected a bit playing chess, and, like, I don't want something bad to happen to you. [00:30:34] Speaker A: Which, like, was a move. Yeah, Right. Because it makes him look good. Like, a faithful. Just to be like, no, I don't think so. And then when he's out, he's like, I told you guys he was faithful. [00:30:42] Speaker C: Yeah, it's true. But I just, like, he didn't have to be generous. [00:30:45] Speaker A: No, he didn't. [00:30:45] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:30:45] Speaker A: He could have dogpiled. [00:30:46] Speaker C: And I really related to Ron. I mean, I think Ron has come out now being like, I'm pretty sure I'm autistic. [00:30:52] Speaker A: Yes. [00:30:52] Speaker C: Yeah. And I could see that in the show because he's like. I'm observing. It's not easy for me to just, like, jump in. When there's more people, I find it harder. Yeah. But when there's less people, I can. I can connect one on one. I really, really related to Ron, and I felt it was heartbreaking to see people pile on him for just, like, being himself. Exactly. When he's like, guys, I'm just be. I'm just doing what I'm doing. [00:31:14] Speaker A: That's how he gave up a little bit. He was like, okay, just vote me off. [00:31:17] Speaker C: Totally. [00:31:17] Speaker A: Whatever. I don't really care. [00:31:18] Speaker C: Yeah, I know. [00:31:19] Speaker A: He was really sweet. [00:31:20] Speaker C: I know. [00:31:21] Speaker A: Yeah, he was really sweet. Michael Rappaport. [00:31:24] Speaker B: I like. [00:31:25] Speaker A: With his pasta like this, I mean, [00:31:28] Speaker C: I gotta say, the editors are here. [00:31:29] Speaker B: We're gonna watch it because of him. [00:31:31] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:31:31] Speaker B: It's like it just was just platforming him is just. Yeah. [00:31:34] Speaker A: Disgusting. [00:31:35] Speaker C: But the editors are heroes because they do stuff like that and just make him look as bad as they possibly. [00:31:40] Speaker A: Juice dripping down his chin and you're like, ew. Like, is this the guy who thinks [00:31:45] Speaker B: he's like, insides match your outsides. [00:31:47] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:31:47] Speaker A: Literally. What did he say about himself? I'm the most good looking, most charismatic, something from New York. I was like, oh, my gosh, you're married. Like, I don't know. [00:31:59] Speaker C: Shot. It's shocking. [00:32:00] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:32:00] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:32:01] Speaker A: Really not the vibe. [00:32:02] Speaker C: Oh, do you want to read some more things that people have told us? I. I can share with some of [00:32:07] Speaker B: what our listeners are watching. [00:32:08] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:32:10] Speaker B: We've got right now Survivor, House of Villains and Extracted. I don't even know what Extracted is. [00:32:16] Speaker C: I assume people are put into the wilderness and then maybe you have to. You stay there as long as you can. So you need to be extracted. [00:32:22] Speaker B: I'm assuming another one. Survivor. We live for the game. Rooting for my guy, Christian R.I.P. mike White. So it's season 50 of Survivor. [00:32:31] Speaker C: Wow. [00:32:31] Speaker B: Which is insane. [00:32:33] Speaker A: Wow. I haven't watched it in like 15 years. [00:32:36] Speaker B: That's so fair. All the people that you probably grew up watching it are now back though, for season 50. [00:32:41] Speaker A: They're back. [00:32:42] Speaker B: What else we got? Oh, we haven't talked about Taylor from Mormon Wives crossover. Bachelorette. [00:32:50] Speaker A: Exactly. [00:32:51] Speaker C: I need to know more about this. I've only. I've listened to some podcasts and gotten some background and listened to Nick Viles podcast where he's been talking about a little bit. So I don't know everything. [00:33:02] Speaker B: I feel like the summer house drama just totally. [00:33:05] Speaker A: Yeah. I took over Eclipsed the. [00:33:07] Speaker B: To bring some nails onto it for you. Thank you. Totally eclipse the, like Taylor, Frankie season disappearing. [00:33:15] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:33:16] Speaker A: I'm like into thin air. [00:33:17] Speaker B: Yeah. I think. I think we're gonna get it eventually. [00:33:19] Speaker A: You think they're gonna just release it as like something on like Hulu or [00:33:22] Speaker B: just like, like it won't be the, like abc whatever. But I think. I think they're gonna air it and just like. I mean, the entire series of Mormon Wives was started and predicated on this one moment of domestic violence. [00:33:38] Speaker A: Yes. [00:33:38] Speaker B: Which we had audio for which there's legal filings around it. Like nobody didn't know this didn't happen. We just now had a visual of it, which is like, I have my own opinions on that, but it's like, [00:33:52] Speaker A: come on, just show it yeah, right. I know. [00:33:55] Speaker C: So the interesting thing that Nick on his podcast, he had, like, a legal expert there, basically, I think. Yeah. And he. He just can't get over the fact that he's like. Like, he knows Bachelor Nation well. And he's like, if you're a contestant on there, they ask you, are there any pictures that could come out? Are there any videos? Like, is there anything in your past that we have to be worried about? And not for drama, like, not to mine, but to, like, protect you, because it's very ugly for people when you're in the public view. It can get really ugly. And he's like, they dig through things with a fine tooth comb. So he's like, how could she even really have been selected with this kind of knowledge of this history in the background? [00:34:37] Speaker A: And the file had been out there. Yeah, the file was out there. [00:34:39] Speaker C: The cops had it. [00:34:40] Speaker B: They've been making money off of her trauma for five seasons of Mormon Wives. ABC wanted a piece of the pie. [00:34:46] Speaker A: Like, this is true. [00:34:47] Speaker B: This is the whole premise. And then we're shocked that it's like. And now they're being like, oh, well. Well, we can't air that out of some moral high ground. [00:34:54] Speaker A: That's. Yeah. Moral high ground of, like, specifically when women do something that men are always doing. [00:35:00] Speaker B: Yes. [00:35:00] Speaker A: We're like, actually, we're gonna punish you, and we're gonna take away your show, and we're gonna maybe take you off. I don't know if she's still gonna be on Secret Lives of Mormon Wives. I don't know for season six or whatever they have coming, or I don't even know what season we're on. [00:35:10] Speaker B: I think it's. This is season five now. [00:35:12] Speaker A: Yeah. Okay, then season six. Because even in season five of Secret Lives. Are you caught up to that? [00:35:19] Speaker B: No, I've watched a few. You're fine. [00:35:21] Speaker C: Okay. [00:35:22] Speaker A: The last episode is her being like, I don't want to go on Bachelor. She had just slept with Dakota again. [00:35:27] Speaker C: I did hear that. [00:35:27] Speaker A: And it was like a whole drama of her just being like, I don't want to go. Like, I want to see my life through here. She was talking to some guy from Tick Tock. Like, she met someone. [00:35:34] Speaker B: Oh, that musician. [00:35:35] Speaker A: Yeah, the musician. The guy with the guitar. She was, like, dating him, and she was like, maybe I'll see this through. But it's like, the same people. Not the same, but the same casting, the production. They knew that when they were filming and then they still were, like, passing you off to Bachelor, and it's like, you just set her up for failure. Like, what was she gonna do on the Bachelor with, like, Dakota's probably calling her. He's probably. You know what I mean? I just didn't understand. [00:35:55] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:35:56] Speaker A: They were watching her the whole time leading up. [00:35:58] Speaker B: That's where I can't get past. It's like, this isn't new information. [00:36:01] Speaker A: No. [00:36:01] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:36:01] Speaker B: Especially for those in the know. [00:36:03] Speaker C: So it just seems like a case of trying to exploit the scenario. [00:36:07] Speaker B: Yeah. And then just getting. [00:36:09] Speaker C: And not caring that she'll suffer from the. Yeah. [00:36:12] Speaker B: Our culture and how we believe women and. And, like, what we. Where our threshold is of, like, okay, we can hear about something. Understand that these things happened. But having a visual kind of changes the game. It's. [00:36:27] Speaker A: Right. [00:36:27] Speaker B: You look at something like Epstein files, and it's like, we're reading all these things, but, like, imagine if there was videos. Sure. [00:36:33] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:36:34] Speaker B: Like, yeah. And. And maybe there are. And that's absolutely horrific. But it would change. I think it would change the political climate even more. [00:36:41] Speaker A: Right. [00:36:42] Speaker C: Yeah. It's next level. And it becomes more visceral with those. With the actual videos. Yeah. That's. We're in a dark place. Sorry. [00:36:50] Speaker A: I. I'm so sorry. No, but I mean, Secret Lives is also something that, like, I can't look away from because I find the show equally as entertaining as I find it kind of disturbing. Do you know Jen, in last season, I think, season four, when she said she was pregnant and she started crying, and she was like, I can't believe I'm pregnant. And it's like her and her husband were not really in a good place. Like, they weren't really sleeping together, but she still ended up pregnant anyways. And she's like, I don't want a third child. I'm 24. And I was like, oh, my gosh. Like, liter, it's fair. You're so young. And her husband's like, well, great. Amazing. More kids. And I'm like, I actually feel really disturbed. Like, I feel very. Like, they don't believe in birth control. You know, her whole life was about uplifting him because he wanted to go to medical school because of their lives now. Like, she went on Dancing with the Stars. He ended up not doing medical school. So he actually, this season was like, I feel like a house dad. Like, I have no life. And I'm like, get over yourself. Yeah, but, like, even that kind of situation where I'm like, ah, I don't like this, but I'm like, wait, I need to watch, because I just need to know what's happening in their lives. Like, these are modern women who are living this Mormon. Mormon lifestyle that doesn't benefit them, like, at all. [00:37:54] Speaker B: Well. And also we get to see them now as they, like, rise in fame and wealth and all of these things. And ha. And. And that the, like, grip of the Mormonism is kind of slipping away too. And it's evolving season to season. Like, stuff that people would have thought was, like, taboo about having, like, coffee at your baby gender reveal. Whatever sip and see they're doing isn't like a big deal. And like, people drink and like, there's like, so many more things happen happening now. [00:38:23] Speaker C: It's. [00:38:23] Speaker B: Yeah. It's wild. [00:38:25] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:38:25] Speaker B: I'd love to get yalls take on which shows are queer coded since this is dear queer before we leave. [00:38:32] Speaker A: Everyone on Summer House is gay. Like the girl specifically, just because, like, I, I, I'd Paige lesbian. [00:38:38] Speaker B: And now we just want to bring her into the fold, I think. [00:38:45] Speaker A: And I also listen to Giggly Squad. [00:38:46] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:38:46] Speaker A: So I've listened to probably 80 of their episodes. Paige basically talks about like, I'm. I could be a lesbian, but like, da da, da. And I'm just like, you don't like any men that you date. You think they're like, kind of, like, immature. You don't connect with them. Like, you're just not seeing eye to eye. Same thing with Sierra. It's like she's crying over these guys. She's trying so hard to make it work. [00:39:06] Speaker B: They're girls gonna work. [00:39:07] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:39:07] Speaker A: It's not gonna be some girls. Like, you can't be crying over these guys. They don't get you. Like, I feel like it's always a girl, like, who's comforting her, who she sees connections with. And I'm just like, this is true. [00:39:17] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:39:19] Speaker B: Also, when she got a cat, I was like, hello. [00:39:22] Speaker A: That changed her life. When Paige got a cat, she was like, oh. She's like, I'm a crazy cat lady. [00:39:28] Speaker C: That's really cute. [00:39:29] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:39:29] Speaker A: Like, she's fully said that. [00:39:30] Speaker B: Also, when Hannah was on the show, I always thought she was just gonna come out. [00:39:35] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:39:36] Speaker C: I don't know. Hannah. Yeah. [00:39:37] Speaker B: So Hannah Berner, she's a comedian, she's on Giggly Squad. But she started like, this is going back probably to like, season three, maybe of some house. And she came on the show and she was just like this like, like tomboy tennis player. And her energy with men was just like kind of a fuckboy. And I was like, I know this dyke. [00:39:56] Speaker A: Yeah, I see you Right. [00:39:58] Speaker C: That's so funny. [00:39:59] Speaker B: And then she ended up marrying this, like, age gap older comedian, and I was like, okay, whatever. Fine. [00:40:06] Speaker A: Yeah. What's their age gap? Like, 15 years, maybe more. [00:40:10] Speaker B: I think somewhere around there. Yeah. [00:40:11] Speaker C: Yeah. Also, Sam, on Summer House, it looks like a combination of JoJo Siwa and Miley Cyrus. Oh, my God. She has the voice of Miley Cyrus, but she looks like JoJo Siwa. [00:40:23] Speaker A: Yeah, right. Yeah, right, right. [00:40:25] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:40:25] Speaker A: I feel like that's why we love watching, like, reality TV as queer people, because we always scout out who's, like, kind of in the closet. Kind of like, we're like, we see you before you see yourself. [00:40:35] Speaker C: Totally. [00:40:36] Speaker A: And we'll tweet about it. We'll, like, make the noise. And they're like. And like, Paige, even today's episode of Giggly Squad, she's like, I love the gay community. I want them to have everything. I want gay people to have all the brand deals. I'm like, do you mean yourself? Like, what. But what are you saying? She just says it out of unprompted. There was no, like, conversation about it, so just things like that where I feel like we're watching it for, like, the Love Story because we like hopeless romantics. [00:40:59] Speaker B: We are. For sure. [00:40:59] Speaker C: We also love the gossip. [00:41:01] Speaker A: Yeah, of course. [00:41:02] Speaker C: The gossip. [00:41:03] Speaker B: That's how gay culture evolves and continues throughout time. [00:41:07] Speaker C: Yeah. It is funny to see, too, in a lot of these shows, like Summer House or Housewives, they're basically all kind of forced to be friends. [00:41:15] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:41:16] Speaker C: And there's something so funny about that. Like, if you're on the show, you're friends, and. But we understand how small the community is, too. So, like, we end up in rooms with people we don't always want to be in with, too. And, like. But that kind of forced relationship. And it's complicated. Right. And we like watching other people struggle with it, too. [00:41:37] Speaker A: Yeah. Honorable mention to Kyle Richards, who said from season one, I'm not a lesbian. Yeah, I'm not a lesbian. And, like, she said it again, unprompted. No one was coming at her. And she's like, oh, my gosh, do you think I'm a gay? Because I'm not. [00:41:47] Speaker B: That sounds like me in high school. [00:41:49] Speaker C: Right. [00:41:49] Speaker A: And then look at her now. Like, look at her now. So I feel like all of them are just waiting for their moment to be queer. [00:41:56] Speaker C: I feel like it's also comforting to watch people with bad pickers, because. Been there. [00:42:07] Speaker A: Well, yeah. [00:42:08] Speaker C: I love it. [00:42:09] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:42:09] Speaker B: I think this is. This is a perfect note. To end on. [00:42:11] Speaker C: Oh, my God. Thank you so much for being here. Obviously, we need to do this again because there's always going to be more reality tv. [00:42:17] Speaker B: So good. [00:42:17] Speaker A: Oh, my gosh. Thank you so much for having me. [00:42:20] Speaker B: This has been another episode of Dear Queer. Just a reminder, we are not actually experts. Any advice given should actually come from our experts, who we will bring in from time to time. Music brought to you by Sean Patrick Brennan, produced by myself, Lauren Hogarth, and your host, as always, Elena Papayamis.