Episode Transcript
[00:00:00] Speaker A: Change is so much better than a less than desirable constant. And being okay with that is a huge part of life.
If you have any question.
[00:00:24] Speaker B: You can simply ask me. Dear crew.
[00:00:40] Speaker C: All right, welcome back. This is part two of our series. We still have Nick in the hot seat with us. We are basically talking to our younger selves and, you know, trying to give a little wisdom on what we might tell those younger queers.
[00:00:58] Speaker B: A point that came to me when I was thinking about this was the idea of not forcing things.
I feel like that has been a lesson I've had to learn over and over again in different aspects of my life. Is this idea of trying to control an outcome or just putting too much pressure on things or on a particular outcome? And I don't know if this is something that speaks, speaks to either of you as well. Yes, I see very much.
[00:01:32] Speaker A: It's what I've learned in the past two plus years recently. And it was in, if you listened last episode. It's in the advice that I was giving to my partner last night is that we can put too much stock into what other people think of us, and we really try to control things and it doesn't benefit us. Everything's gonna go the way it's meant to, and we just kinda have to be able to take a step back from situations, clock it, be aware, and just move on and be like, okay. But that doesn't change how I feel about myself or how much I love myself or what I still feel I can get out of this life. And another quote that just came to my mind. I was like, if you were, you walked through a clearing of all these trees that had been cut down, and it made you really sad. You wouldn't just keep thinking about the missing trees or get angry at that. You would walk around and just start planting new seeds. And like we are.
If when things leave or change or go away from our lives, we always have the option to plant new seeds and grow them and build it how we want it to be again. There's plenty of people in this world, and there's just so much beauty that we haven't even found yet. And there's always times and checks and balances I have with myself. I'm like, if that didn't happen, I wouldn't be where I am today. And I love where I am today. So, like, we constantly have to just keep remaining positive and optimistic and try not to be too controlling, because it'll actually prevent us from getting a lot of good in this world.
[00:03:05] Speaker B: And people can feel that energy of, like, holding on or wanting to force something. Right. So if anything, that is like a very. That's a deterrent, like you said, to getting the things you want. There's also a phrase that came to mind just when you were saying that, and I don't know where I've heard this one. This idea that rejection is just an opportunity for redirection is that idea that it's like, you know what I mean? So it's just about turning your attention elsewhere to where the fields are open or where there's a new opportunity. And, I mean, some of so much good has come from difficult things in life. Right? Like, it was after. It was after a breakup that I realized I was a people pleaser. And then I started to write. And here I am years later, having, like. And writing even more now. Like, that's. It's just like a complete beautiful turn that, in the moment, felt the worst.
[00:04:02] Speaker C: Yeah, it's really hard to. When you're in those moments of high stress, high. You know, it feels like the stakes are high and everything could be going wrong. And it is in those moments that you get to show up for yourself and there are opportunities, but it is so hard to see.
I mean, you look at. I mean, if you look to nature and we'll keep your tree reference, but after the forest fires, that's when the most rich soil in life comes back. There's mushrooms and new plant life, and that is a part of nature's regenerative cycle. Is this like destruction and rebirth and all of that? And the same goes for us.
[00:04:43] Speaker B: I mean, they do the planned burn at High park.
[00:04:46] Speaker C: Yeah, exactly.
[00:04:47] Speaker B: As part of that. Because they know it's like, good comes from this. And I guess on the flip side of that is if we're not forcing things, then we're accepting things. Right. Which is so hard. And I see it in my daughter sometimes. Just the idea that, like, having a hard time with.
I don't know, I guess anytime when we struggle with anxiety, it's usually future focused.
[00:05:08] Speaker C: Right.
[00:05:08] Speaker B: It's like, well, what's going to happen then? Or what if. If this happens and there's a kind of acceptance and presentness that's required to counteract that.
[00:05:19] Speaker C: Yeah. Yeah. So anxiety is when you fear for the future, depression is the present or you're stuck in the past. And. Yeah, it's so hard. I even. I don't know if this is a weird example, but with work, sometimes you can get anxious about stuff and replying to emails and, like, we kind of get on this big loop, and then often, you know, do your job and everything. But, you know, sometimes if you just let things sit for a minute, they resolve themselves, and it's. It's taking that pause, you know, you're removing that one domino, and it's like you have more time. It is. Okay. Breathe. Get your nervous system right.
Yeah.
[00:06:00] Speaker B: Yeah, absolutely. Some other points I had. What else did I have? Oh, this one. Your parents are human, too.
[00:06:08] Speaker A: Mm hmm.
[00:06:09] Speaker B: I remember the first time I saw my mom cried, and I was like, what?
You're a human? Like, it was very.
[00:06:15] Speaker A: Authority can cry.
[00:06:16] Speaker B: Yeah, I was quite little. I remember. And I was just like, how does. How did that even happen? You know?
[00:06:23] Speaker C: And you had tear ducts.
[00:06:24] Speaker B: Yeah. I was like, I thought. I thought you were superhuman. Because. And I guess this happens more. Like, it's hard to believe that our parents are just people who are trying to adult.
[00:06:34] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:06:35] Speaker B: Right. And you don't realize that until you are an adult or until you see, like, maybe some teenagers or kids will learn that from a younger age if they see their parents actively struggling or.
[00:06:46] Speaker C: If they talk about it.
[00:06:47] Speaker B: Or if they talk about it.
[00:06:47] Speaker C: I think you've told me some cool examples of you kind of letting your. Your kid in on, you know, what's going on with you and like, hey, I, you know, amstressed or whatever else it might be.
Do you think your kid knows that you're.
[00:07:05] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, I think so. Like, yeah, she definitely does. She definitely. She's. She's attuned to that. But, I mean, there's a line there, too. You don't want it to be so much that they feel like they need to help you.
[00:07:16] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:07:16] Speaker B: Still, it's. It's amount. It's a. It's about, like, exposing them to that but not putting it on them.
[00:07:22] Speaker A: In a healthy way.
[00:07:23] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:07:23] Speaker A: In a healthy way, exposing that this is. This is human life.
[00:07:26] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:07:26] Speaker A: And it is okay to be like this.
Yeah.
[00:07:30] Speaker B: And I think, too, now, as a mother, I can understand my mother better.
[00:07:36] Speaker C: Oh, I bet.
[00:07:37] Speaker B: Right? Because there's this.
I guess we expect. I mean, we probably grow up expecting too much. We grow up expecting perfection, even though we don't realize it, because we can look back and be like, well, this would have been better or more of this or whatever, but everyone's always just doing their best, even if it's not great. And.
And once you're an adult and if you're a parent, too, I feel like I said, it's even more easy or it's even easier to kind of empathize with that position to be like, oh, you were dealing with a lot and that was your capacity and that was your best and. And kind of accepting that place rather than expecting more, you know?
[00:08:24] Speaker C: Oh, I think as a kid, I never thought my parents got tired or had other things that were important other than me. And, you know, kudos to them for making me think that delusion.
[00:08:34] Speaker A: But I know, like, my parents got divorced right before I was four or just before. And I don't remember much before four anyways, so I don't really remember them ever being together. But I do remember we moved into, like, the smaller part and apartment at my grandpa's house that he usually rented out to tenants. And we went in there in a pinch in an emergency and that. And I still always. The child. The Christmas I remember the strongest is that one.
[00:09:02] Speaker B: Wow.
[00:09:02] Speaker A: And I told for the most positive reasons, we had our ninja Turtle pajamas and our walkman. There's pictures of us. I just. I don't know. I loved it so much. And my mom said, like, nick, I had no money and I was struggling so hard. And in all these lawyer and. And it made her emotional to hear that that is the Christmas I think is the best one because it was the one she was the most scared of giving us.
[00:09:24] Speaker B: That's amazing.
[00:09:25] Speaker A: In those times. So I think me just having that genuine thought really helped her be like, oh, yeah, you were an awesome mom. You acted out of the park.
[00:09:32] Speaker B: That's amazing. Because she was probably feeling really bad that year to be like, I wish I could have given more. Or maybe she wasn't feeling as present as she wanted to, or she was worried about the kind of. The quality of the Christmas you'd have. So, I mean, that's amazing.
[00:09:44] Speaker A: And it was after she had been cheated on, took my dad back, cheated on again. And just like, so she couldn't have been having a lot of great feelings about herself while they're trying to be a single mom and make us happy. But she, like, knocked it out of the park and it's like, wow, she's a human too.
[00:10:01] Speaker C: And it's, oh, that's so beautiful. And I think it gives us all permission to realize and remember that in those moments, we can find things we never would have expected and that this pursuit of perfection, it's a fool's errand. Yeah, we don't need that. It's like it really comes back to the people and our connections to each other and love and family and whether that's the family you create or the family you have and all of those things, it's like permission, you know, if anyone can take anything away, it's just like permission to embrace the mess and find the beauty in the unexpected and things that might seem, you know, the.
[00:10:46] Speaker A: Hardest and just have patience with each other. Like, we always look back with kinder eyes on everything, but we can have more patience with each other. And that would be something I would tell my younger self as well, is be more patient and understanding of other people because, like, you even said, you're like, I thought my parents were just there to always be, like, what's next for Laura and make my life better. Like, it's, we're very self, did I say that?
We're very self centered as kids, and that's because we don't know much about how to fit into the around other people or society, and we're just focusing on playing with ourselves and, like, being solo time playing games with ourselves.
[00:11:24] Speaker B: You're keeping that in mind.
[00:11:25] Speaker C: We're gonna get our chili pepper rating.
[00:11:28] Speaker A: So it's good to be patient with people because everyone's going through something, and that's something I would, I wish I would have known earlier. Yeah.
[00:11:38] Speaker B: I mean, sort of. On that note is if we're not looking back with kinder eyes, sometimes we're looking back a little bit bitter about some things, too. And I've learned from my wonderful counselor, Angela, who, you know, or through Reiki, that bitterness only hurts you.
Right. It's something.
You're the only one holding on to it. You're the only one who's embodying it, who's being soured by it. And I mean, the other person, whoever you're holding that against, they might not even know. So they are completely unaffected by it. It is just something that is dragging.
[00:12:18] Speaker C: You down, the stories we tell ourselves.
I think something I've come to appreciate about my ADHD is honestly my memory. Not, not super great. I love having Nick in my life because he'll tell me stories about university that I've long forgotten. But where I think that is actually really beneficial is, it's hard for me to hold a grudge or, like, you know, I don't, I just don't stay in those feelings. And I think for people who maybe have better memories, it's like, just maybe just rewrite that in your brain.
[00:12:55] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:12:56] Speaker C: Brains are so cool. You can, you can make your own delusional world.
[00:12:59] Speaker A: And I think I would just call that optimism. Like, I would just call that, like, you're optimistic about what your life can be, even in the face of hardships or what you mean to yourself and to other people, sometimes to a fault and fair. Yeah, but, like, you're optimistic with what other people, even if they wrong you, it doesn't mean they think you're a horrible person and that you deserve pain. It's just that they couldn't show up in the way you wanted to. And it's like, okay, I'm gonna. I can move on from this.
[00:13:25] Speaker B: And maybe there wasn't even a negative attention there, but it just. That's the way you were telling it to yourself. That's the story you were embodying about whatever happened. So that kind of grace, allowance of grace to people.
[00:13:39] Speaker C: I have a listener question that's kind of in this theme. Do you want to hear it?
[00:13:43] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:13:44] Speaker C: All right. One sec. Okay. So, I've been in a relationship with my partner for the past three years, and I recently found out that they cheated on me. I've taken them back, but I'm struggling to let it go. Any advice?
[00:13:59] Speaker A: Don't let it go.
[00:14:01] Speaker B: That's my advice.
[00:14:02] Speaker A: Don't let it go. It's.
[00:14:05] Speaker C: They haven't given much info, but I.
[00:14:07] Speaker A: Don'T know if they want to, if they're sitting with this, and they can be honest enough with whether this is someone you know or not, who knows? But if they can write it into. We'll call it strangers on a podcast, they have not let this go, and they need to trust that. Like, we were talking about that gut feeling, that central nervous system, telling them that this is not okay with them. And I think they're making an exception and a pass for someone else because they don't want to believe that this person could be that way or that they could ever do it again, or they're scared to be apart from this person. And it's just, like I said, my. This is what I grew up with at a very, very young age of knowing that that's what my dad did to my mom. She took him back, and he kept doing it.
[00:14:53] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:14:53] Speaker A: And I've gone through that personally. Like, not with the keep doing it, but just the. That if they cheated on you, I think that's because there's a certain level of lack of respect for your well being in the first place. Right. They can feel bad about it. They can feel that they really wish they didn't do it, but I just don't think that they would have let themselves get there if they truly were thinking about you in the most positive way, they would have never gotten to that point because true love wouldn't have allowed that to happen. It would have been a conversation first saying, I need this for me, or, I'd like to end the relationship because this is what I plan on doing, or I would like to do. And my advice would be, don't let it go part ways and explain why and love them from afar.
[00:15:41] Speaker B: Interesting. If they're struggling to do that, I guess, right away, then if they can at least kind of force themselves to give it time.
Because if they're anxiously attached, for example, they will just want to reconcile, and they'll just be like, no, I just want to make this better. And they said, I'm sorry, and, okay, it's better now, but like you said, if it's still in their. Still in their body and still in their bones, and they know it's not right, but if they can force themselves to be like, okay, I'm gonna.
We're gonna be apart for six months. Yeah, right. And I'm gonna sit with it and see how I actually feel about this person. See if I'm just wanting to reconcile quickly because my nervous system wants to and get in touch with, like, well, why would I take them back if they did disrespect me and they didn't consider me? Is there something in me that I don't feel worthy of? Something better? And this is why I would want to reconcile, you know, like.
[00:16:43] Speaker C: Like, I think, really investigate.
[00:16:45] Speaker B: Yeah. And give it.
That needs time and space, though, because if they just get back right away, then they won't have that time and space to do that.
[00:16:52] Speaker C: Yeah. Cause I think cheating's an interesting one. I think as a society, we put a lot of hard lines on it, but I think I'm gonna put my optimism hat on.
I think there can be a lot of different reasons that people, you know, quote unquote, cheat and without knowing the individual circumstances and things like that, I don't know. I just. I think there can be a way back, but I think it has to be rooted in a lot of work and understanding and unpacking and. Yeah, maybe time away, maybe therapy, all of those things. Like, yeah, yeah.
[00:17:27] Speaker A: I follow.
[00:17:27] Speaker C: Life is messy.
[00:17:29] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:17:29] Speaker A: On Instagram, I follow a person who gives advice and relationship and dating advice from. As someone who is open about the fact that he cheated on his wife, they worked it out, and now he's just being endlessly better and helping people understand narcissistic behaviors and selfish behaviors and et cetera. And, like, he's a recovering cheater, and I don't doubt his stance in it for a second. I also just think that there is a inherent unwillingness for proper communication when cheating gets on the table. Yeah, I didn't get that upset about the actual physical, sexual act of cheating. That doesn't other me too much. I would consider myself, to some degree, poly and, like, or at least not purely monogamous in ways. So it's not the act. It's more. Yeah. Monogamish. So it's more so in the act of betrayal, doing, like, just doing something so purely selfish without and probably have given it thought and still going through with it. It's the lack of communication and respect.
It's more so what it means, not the actual act that I think it's like, oh, it's usually gonna be a fundamental difference in how you operate on this earth that you.
And it can help you realize that, like, wow, I really thought I had more of an important place in someone's life. And when they do that, it kind of puts it into perspective, I guess.
[00:18:59] Speaker C: You see it as, like, the tip of the iceberg. You know, we focus on the cheating in this act, but it's what's under the surface for you.
[00:19:07] Speaker A: It's more so what it means. Yeah. For other aspects of the communication and the respect level.
[00:19:11] Speaker B: Yeah. Like, the fact that they, like you said, didn't come to just talk about it first or what their feelings were. Because clearly, like, that doesn't just happen. There's some itch there that they're looking to scratch. Right. So you're right. It's the fact that they didn't feel like they could talk about that or have an open dialogue. That is very telling.
[00:19:29] Speaker A: And the only reason I'm so staunch with my immediate leave them no answer is because of the way they phrase the question and that they wrote into a podcast about it. So I think for this specific person, I think you need to trust your God of why you even asked this question to a stranger who's asking it.
[00:19:44] Speaker C: Like, yeah, so I think, too. Yeah. It's almost asking permission.
[00:19:48] Speaker A: Permission, yes. Like, be okay with it. And I really liked what you said of walk the walk and live the distance, even if you call it a break, because I think you're scared of what being alone could feel like or providing a consequence that this person now has to live through, that you are handing out to them to be like, this is what I will not accept, and this is what you will get in this instance. It doesn't mean in six months. We can't revisit, especially if they've done the work in that six months. But I think if you were to say, let's take a six month break, you come back in six months, I bet they've already maybe moved on because it was what they maybe wanted in the first place. So you have to live it and let it play out physically.
[00:20:28] Speaker C: Those breaks, too, can be such clarifying things when you are in something. And I think this applies to all aspects of our life or situations that may come up at work or home or any of it. And it's once you have that distance, the clarity comes, and it's so giving yourself permission to set those boundaries, take distance and do that are, I think, invaluable.
[00:20:50] Speaker B: Again, the answer might be very obvious. It might be literally in their body.
[00:20:56] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:20:56] Speaker B: They wake up the next day and they're like, I'm not anxious.
[00:20:59] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:21:00] Speaker B: Like, two days in, they're like, the shoulders come down. Yeah. Like, they start to feel better physically. That is a sign, too, right?
[00:21:06] Speaker A: They pat themselves in the back. Like, I did that. For me, that was scary. And that's okay. And just to the listener, I can tell you this from firsthand, it's what I wish I would have done. So it bringing it home, Nick.
[00:21:17] Speaker C: What bringing it home?
[00:21:19] Speaker A: But just, like, Lauren, how you said, like, when you get that clarity afterwards and you can. You can't really tell until. That would have been something I wish I would have done in the moment to then be like, oh, this actually feels better. And this is. And, like, just knowing now that I've have that distance away, knowing, like, knowing that that's what I should have done, and it might have even been better or more helpful, I think it would have also made me respect myself more, but also I would have been more respected by the other person.
[00:21:43] Speaker B: And actually, that goes right into another point I had written down, which was, say no more often and don't feel bad about it.
[00:21:51] Speaker C: Look bad.
[00:21:51] Speaker A: Absolutely.
[00:21:52] Speaker B: Right.
[00:21:52] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:21:53] Speaker B: And this speaks to people pleasing stuff we talked about before. Right. But, like, I. There have been so many times I can look at in my past when I haven't said no, or I have, and I've.
I wish I had, or I've resented the fact that I didn't, or I did say no and felt incredibly guilty about it and bore that burden for no reason. But it feels. It just actually feels really good to say no. Like, so good to say.
[00:22:21] Speaker A: It's a skill, I think, that you have to learn.
[00:22:24] Speaker B: You do. You do. And you have to practice it, and you have to start small. It's not gonna be like, the biggest no first, but it's those little nos where you're listening to yourself, where you're genuinely in touch with, like, could I say yes to this and not resent it? Or do I have the capacity for this? If the answer is no, say no.
[00:22:41] Speaker C: We're tying in our people, pleasing our boundaries, all of it. And I think it's a good reminder you can say no. And I think people will appreciate those nos I love. Like, with. With both of you, actually.
If you don't have the capacity for a plan or something doesn't quite work, you tell me. And I'm like, this is great. It also actually makes me reach out and ask more because I know I'm going to get a true, honest answer. And that feels fantastic. Yeah.
[00:23:11] Speaker B: Yeah. If you can. Because it's. You can trust a no, but sometimes you can't trust a yes. When someone says yes and you're like, are you sure? Like, you can't. You don't believe it because they're like, yeah. And you're like, I don't. That doesn't. That's not 100% like that. I don't feel that yes.
[00:23:28] Speaker A: I think it makes you feel safer with the person. When you give them a no. You really get to learn a lot about them and whether it's a relationship worth pursuing as well, because you get to learn how they are in the face of a no. And if they take it personally or they get unreasonable about it, or they're like, okay, great. Well, then when does work for you? Like, they can be very accommodating and. And lovely. Like, I don't know, Laura. I'm not afraid to say no to Lauren at all, because. Because Lauren knows my yeses mean yes. Somebody knows me. Nos I trust maybe. And I learned from around 15 years ago, probably. Now I've been saying a maybe is a no. I don't. At least mentally well, I don't call you and say that's a no. And, like, if confrontational. But in my mind, I'm like, if I'm told a maybe, I'm proceeding onwards, that maybes are no's. I've been caught off guard where maybes was a yes, and it was more. So I needed more time to get back to you, and I could be a bit more optimistic about it. But by and large, a maybe is a no. And that's something I've realized.
[00:24:20] Speaker C: And, yeah, no is a no.
When your voice goes high, and I'm like, oh, what did I just do?
Yeah. No. Yes.
[00:24:29] Speaker B: No, and one. I don't know. Maybe this is the last point I have down here.
[00:24:35] Speaker C: Love.
[00:24:35] Speaker B: It is similar to what, the kind of the no on the no angle. But you can always change your mind, and you can always change direction. Right. In life, in, like, any realm of life, whether it's relationships or work or where you're gonna live, there's always opportunity to change direction. And sometimes the only way you'll know that that's wrong for you is if you try it first. Right? Because sometimes we put so much pressure on a decision, and it being the right decision, but you can't really know until time plays out sometimes whether or not that was the right decision. So we don't need to put so much weight on that answer and that decision, you can know that you can switch it up if you need to, if something doesn't feel right for you.
[00:25:21] Speaker C: I remember I lived in Los Angeles for seven, eight years, and I remember when I was trying to decide if I would leave and things had wrapped up in a relationship, in a business I had there. And the thing I kept telling myself is, oh, I can come back. LA will be here.
I need to go see if being back in Toronto with family and all of that is right for me. And this will always be here, and it's okay.
[00:25:48] Speaker A: I was so stoked when you told me you were. I was like, I didn't know if it was gonna happen or not. And I was like, I'll come visit you again there. That's fine. But when you said, like, oh, yeah, by the way, I'll be back in June, I was like, yes, I will.
[00:25:59] Speaker C: See, I don't even know what. When I moved back in, Nick's like, june.
[00:26:02] Speaker A: Yes, I did think it was going to be a bit temporary because Lauren's a big deal. And, hey, the world needs more Lauren everywhere. But the fact that, like, Lauren's still here, I was. I just. I didn't see it coming, and I'm very happy. That's awesome. But, hey, you have my support. If you want to go away again, I support you.
[00:26:17] Speaker C: I'm really digging the community family vibes here right now.
[00:26:22] Speaker B: How are we for time?
[00:26:23] Speaker C: We're. We're great. Nailed it. Okay, send us a send. Take us, land this plane.
[00:26:27] Speaker A: I just think back to your point before this, as well as the one thing I would say is, embrace change. It's. It's like you said, you can always set a new course. You can set a new path. I am very resistant to change. And that is why I allowed that my thing in my past relationship to continue, because I was so scared of what taking that break or taking that distance or changing would look like for me, because it became so comfortable or so predictable, I guess. And change is so much better than a less than desirable constant. And being okay with that is a huge part of life. And it's. It's. It comes back to that, not needing to control everything as well, because as soon as something switches, it is going to derail you, and you just have to be okay with, you're gonna die. Nothing's going to stay the same. And I think it's like buddhist tenants or something like that. Like, you will die, everyone you know will die. Nothing will stay, and nothing stays the same forever. Be okay with it.
[00:27:30] Speaker B: Yeah. Like, change is the only constant kind of thing.
[00:27:32] Speaker A: It is. And it has helped me to learn those things because it was something I was resisting, for sure.
[00:27:37] Speaker B: Right. And we have to anticipate that in that change period, it's gonna feel unsettled, it's gonna feel shaky, it's gonna feel different, but it will settle in. That's literally how our brains work. Even anything new becomes normal eventually.
[00:27:51] Speaker C: We are so resilient. Yeah.
[00:27:55] Speaker A: In one quick story, I was at a memorial last night and working that event, and this person was speaking on behalf of the deceased and how he had come out to his mom and was scared to do it. And his mom just said, you know what, son? Even. Even the seasons change all the time. And this change is okay, too. And how that stuck with her and being someone who knew no one in this room that is now, like, stuck with me of just, like, change is so okay and it should be celebrated. And the fact that that was a mother's response to someone coming out as queer was a really nice thing to hear. So change is amazing, and we need to be less controlling, and we are.
[00:28:36] Speaker C: In a huge time of change.
[00:28:38] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:28:39] Speaker C: And I can't wait to see what comes out of it.
[00:28:43] Speaker A: Agreed.
[00:28:43] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:28:44] Speaker B: Thank you for joining us. If you haven't already, please rate us and write a little review for us. That would be absolutely amazing.
[00:28:53] Speaker A: Thanks for having me again. I really appreciate it being here.
[00:28:55] Speaker B: Thanks, Dick.
[00:28:57] Speaker C: This has been another episode of Dear Queer. Just a reminder, we are not actually experts. Any advice given should actually come from our experts, who we will bring in from time to time. Music brought to you by Sean Patrick Brennan, produced by myself, Lauren Hogarth, and your host, as always, Elena Papienis.
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